Dore Talk

 Could this explain some of the recent complaints about pushy marketing?

Hi, I wrote the blog post referred to by psyduck.  Just to make clear I am not alleging criminality nor underhand financial dealings.  However, given that Dore are lobbying for government contracts their financial position is important and I would welcome clarification if I have misread the situation.  

Why would you guys rally around this kind of stuff on a support forum for Dore participants and parents.  Most of whom are trying to help our children????

Shame on you, you have shown that you are only here to antagonize and put down.  You have shown your true colors on your intent for being here.

SHAME ON YOU.  

Can I be honest and say I do not come on this forum to find out all the juicey latest gossip on whether Dore is going bust or not, I go for read the tabloid papers for that!!!!!

This is s support forum for mum's to gain support and guidance from others as their children go through the treatment. I agree with frazzle shame on you, there are plenty of forums out there where you can do a bit of Dore bashing but not this one Thank You. Ellie XXX

 FrazzleDazzle/missellie

I think the financial status of Dore is a perfectly reasonable subject for debate here.  After all many members of this forum have paid hundreds of pounds to Dore, others are employed by Dore, should Dore go bankrupt then monies would not be recovered and the employees would be laid off.  It also raises serious questions about the attempts of Dore to obtain government funding for projects and their ability to do research.  It is bad enough that government money should be used to pay for unproven treatments but it is even worse if that money is propping up a failing company that offers unproven treatments and cannot pay to prove those treatments.  You cannot bury your head in the sand and ignore the ramifications of Dore's financial problems.   

 I think you shouldn't make such wild accusations about something you know very little about.

The figures are on my blog, I have had them checked and it is clear that DDAT(UK) have an awful lot of debt.  Presumably money is coming from somewhere to keep the business solvent, but where and will it last?  I am uncertain as to why I should have attracted such hostility just for putting information in to the public domain, are none of you remotely concerned about this?

Dore is expanding all the time so the answer is -not in the least bit concerned.

I had a copy of those accounts, ooooh last year some time just out of interest and they are abbreviated accounts, you really need the full accounts.

 I know they are abbreviated accounts but unless there are unreported assets belonging to Dore then the sum (~ -£6.8m) in the profit/loss account is unaffected.  Would you be able to provide me with a copy of the full accounts so this matter can be resolved?

Get your own

Now that just childish.  The full accounts aren't registered with Companies House so I can't obtain them.  In fact there is no legal obligation for Dore to  even have full accounts given the size of the business so that makes me wonder do they exist and have you seen them? 

Gimpy, could I respectfully ask that if you are so interested in the financial dealings of Dore, please contact Wynford Dore directly instead of speculating on a public forum. 

How childish? if you already know that why are you asking me for them? Any accountant will tell you that you need full accounts before making wild accusations, in fact you shouldn't make wild statements like "Dore in financial trouble" at all- it's very tabloid.

lelly88, my accusations are far from wild, they are based on the limited data available to the public and are suitably qualified.  You should also have noticed that my post is speculative and asks the question, are "Dore in financial trouble?", based on the evidence from the abbreviated accounts. You gave the impression that you had seen the full accounts so my concerns were unfounded, however, it seems that you have not so you have no more knowledge than I do over the financial status of Dore.   Now you may not like the 'tabloid' style of my accusations but you would be advised to focus on the content and substance rather than the style.  There is a large deficit in the Dore accounts, what does this mean for Dore?

Gimpy, could I respectfully ask that if you are so interested in the financial dealings of Dore, please contact Wynford Dore directly instead of speculating on a public forum. 

I do think there is a legitimate worry over the sales tactics used by DORE, as this seems to be coming up again & again in various forums etc, & several people who have posted on this thread have also commented on this elsewhere. There are comments on these boards suggesting that people try to see a DORE doctor rather than sales staff. Myomancy, a site run by someone who says they have been helped by DORE, has run two articles on this here and here, and a quick Google comes up wih many concerns over DORE sales, including people who say they have been put off trying the programme by 'pushy' staff. I've contacted sales staff myself asking for more information, and tbh they did come over as more keen to sell than to really help decide if the programme was right for me. This really does not do the reputation of the programme much good.

This has nothing to do with whether DORE works, but it is clear that some people have very real concerns over the way the DORE programme is sold.

Having seen Gimpy's post, I was wondering whether these problems with the sales staff could be due to DORE running into financial trouble. I think it's a fair question given that it's clearly something that worries a lot of people, even DORE's most enthusiastic proponents.

Do you have anything a bit fresher Duck? this is all so two years ago....

NOBODY HAS TO ENTERTAIN A SALES PERSON.....if they are sceptical of sales ring Dore direct and speak to someone there, they can send you the info and you can make up your own minds, they can also put you in touch with customers that have done Dore and speak to them directly.

Could I respectfully ask that if you have such great concerns over Dore, its research, techniques, sales techniques etc that you contact Wynford Dore DIRECTLY and arrange a personal meeting with him and let this forum get back to the business of helping and supporting  people undergoing the Dore programme.

GIMPY WROTE:  "You should also have noticed that my post is speculative and asks the question, are "Dore in financial trouble""

 Who are you Gimpy?  Gimpy or Psyduck???   Psyduck is the original poster, but here you state that YOU posed the question. AND.....if not, you OBVIOUSLY have close ties, as you literally came out of nowhere within 1/2 hour to pose your response. 

Hmmmmm.............

 Any info on what's going on in Australia, to prevent the rumour mill going into overtime? I would be concerned that people will lose the money they have paid for treatment.