Dore Talk

FrazzleDazzle, I've suggested that it might not be in the best interests of those affected to use the original thread for your personal disagreements, but to leave it for information and support. Post where you will, but I'll stick to replying on here & leaving information on the other thread.

I'm an undergrad at York, Bishop is at Oxford. My interests lie more in working memory than phonics, but I'm not even sure I'll end up training as an EdPsych, and under the UK system I'd end up working in schools & on the NHS, I'm ideologically opposed to private practice. I've never made any secret of where I study, it's in my profile here and on my blog, and I'm sure people can evaluae information for themselves once it's made fully available. I don't stand to make any personal gains from the success or failure of DORE. I can't think of anything else to tell you, but I believe in full disclosure so if you'd like to know more you need only ask. Neither of the others are at York or indeed Oxford, anything else they can post for themselves.

I'm quite sure that nothing I've written comes under UK's unusally strict libel laws, I have some experience of dealing with this in other contexts, certainly posting links to what other people who have written doesn't constitute libel. If DORE do choose to take legal action against me it will be unsurprising, but so far they have not won a case in court. Posting links to legal documents does not constitute libel. If you'd like to pick me up on something I've actually said that's untrue please do, I'll be only too happy to fix it however's appropriate. I have never believed that hiding information is the correct way to do things.

None of this has anything to do with the research. Suggesting that the research isn't all it could be does not make me a bad person. I wish nothing but the best to those who choose to use DORE, & I believe that those who work with clients are doing their best for them. I'd just like to make all the information available so they can have a fully informed choice as to what the evidence base is.

I can only reiterate my request to work together to get the information that people need to know and that isn't being given any other way out as fast as possible, for the sake of the Australian staff & customers who do *need* to know this immediately. I can only assure you that I haven't faked the legal documents!

Thanks,

Duck. 

FrazzleDazzle,

To answer your questions about my motives.  I am not an EdPsych, another type of Psychologist nor have I studied the subject at degree level.  I do however have a couple of specific learning disabilities including dyslexia and am unable to write without the aid of a computer.  I was diagnosed at a relatively late age (14) and had many problems at school.  I am now an academic researcher working in biological science where my current projects have nothing to do with dyslexia but I maintain a keen lay interest in specific learning disabilities.  I also care deeply about the proper use of evidence and science in tackling the problems of society.  

This is all secondary to my posts on these forums though.  I have not challenged the efficacy of the Dore programme here, although I do agree with psyduck's general criticisms,  I have pointed out the financial difficulties that have and may affect Dore staff and customers.  I have done this not out of malice but out of a genuine concern regarding the viability of Dore as a business model and the implications for customers who I feel should not be spending money on Dore because of the lack of evidence base.  

Where's the 'bickering' coming from? 

FrazzleDazzle: 'shame on you' 'LIBEL' 'cahoots' 'rubbish' 'smug' 'rubbish' 'I'm not feeli'n the love'[?] 'scaremonger' 'that's not nice' 'shame on you' 

Debbie: 'ruining this forum' 'are we really supposed to believe you have our best interests at heart' 'rear your ugly head' 'vultures' 'invading' 'OMG what a nasty individual' 'shooing away the vultures' 

If I've posted anything that's come over as a personal attack, I apologise. That's not what I'm here for. 

Thanks Eraina - just 'Duck' will do. 'Glee'? I've said to the contrary in just about every post. 'Good luck - I'd much rather this was settled on research than finances.' ''I've said I'm not particularly glad about how things are turning out' 'I don't take any joy in what's happening' (all from the first page). Cup of tea sounds like a very good idea!

psyduck:

Cup of tea sounds like a very good idea!

Indeed.....

We have spent the last two days reading and rereading threads,articles and discussions on this and other forums re the Dore collapse. We also did a lot of reserach before deciding to enrol our son on the Dore Programme a couple of months ago, mainly looking at blogs (yes thats you psyduck and gimpy and all the others who cast doubts) as well as those who went down the miracle cure route and just believe in it.For us we saw enoufgh anecdotal evisence to convince us to give it a go.And we are or rather were, glad we did.

We are naturally a bit miffed that things have turned out the way they have.(For us the money is a secondary concern as I imagine it is for most people compared to their childs' development but where it differs for us is that we are in the position where we can 'absorb' a loss of £2500 without too much pain We are very aware that that is not the case for everyone) It is perfectly understandable that people are upset and angry .

However having read the first "Explanation" thread I do not sense that psyduck et al are gloating.I detect no schaudenfraude.They could well have stood on the sidelines rubbing their hands with glee but instead have got proactive and are coming up with soloutions and information.You may not like it but at least its there for us to form an opinion on

I have read Psyducks arguments here and elsewhere and he has a lot of perfectly valid points to make .You can take it or leave it but I for one am glad that the information and arguments for both sides are presented and I can then make an informed choice.Im glad that peace has broken out This is where we need to stay calm and wait to see what happens next.

Can we have biscuits with the tea? 

I agree Lizbet with your sentiments the onus now has to be help for all and finding out what happens from now on. If we support and advice each other then it can only help one and all in the end. Ellie XXX

absolutly biscuits AND tea!!

I too have spent many hours reading the many posts regarding this matter. Part of me feels lucky that my 12 year old daughter has been fortunate to have experienced 7 months of the programme so far, whereas the other part of me can't help but feel some anger as to how the whole situation has been handled.

We were fortunate to have an appointment this Tuesday just gone and so we have enough exercises to last us until the end of July at least. If we repeat the book, as has been mentioned in another thread, then we can stretch this out further. Since starting the programme she has excelled at sports which she takes part in and on Friday night she received a huge shield for 'The Most Improved Student for 2007' for her karate, achieveing the highest grading in her class. This would only have been a dream last year. Without Dore this simply would not have happened!! Her reading and writing has improves quite a bit but it's her maths that has wowed us, she's like a different child now.

On the other hand, I can not help my feeling of anger for the way the whole situation has been handled. Not just the clients but the staff aswell. Attending the appointment on Tuesday it's obvious that the staff had absolutely no idea this was about to happen. My daughter has grown very close to several of the staff in the Cardiff office over the past months and I only wish I could pass on my sincere thanks to all of them for all the hard work and dedication they have put in. As has been mentioned already, the decision to close Dore could not have been an overnight decision. The staff that I have had dealings with really cared about their jobs and clients. It's not your average 9-5 job and surely a little more consideration should have been given to the way some of them found out they had lost their jobs.

Then there's the way us clients found out. A text!! I didn't even receive the email they referred to in the text. Even the website is vague. This programme effects peoples futures, physically!! I'm lucky in the fact that I have a couple of months of exercises left, during which time I hope there are more answers. How about those people who don't have that luxury? Especially those people who are at the start of the programme and have no idea how the exercises should progress.

As much as I feel for Wynford with all the time, effort and money he has put into this programme, I can't help but feel this has been handled so badly. Realistically, is there even the slightest glimmer of hope that Dore will at some point get back up and running? If that can't be answered then is there anyone who can say how long we will have to wait to hear some more news on the website, are we talking days, weeks or months perhaps??

Apologies for the essay and for ranting, but I needed to get all that off my chest. Fingers crossed we'll hear some good news but if not then thanks to everyone who's trying to help us during this worrying time. At least on here I don't feel like I'm going through this on my own.

The situation with Dore always takes me back to when my brother in law went into liquidation, he continued through out to try and keep the company afloat and the first thing he knew about trading stopping was the day the Bayliffs moved in and closed the office. My sister his wife was working there at the time and could not believe it, when two strangers literally came in and told them all to go home.

So in that way I can see how things can change from one minute to the next without even the owners aware that things have reached a critical stage of no return. I cannot blame Wynford and his family for what happened and we know mistakes have been made, but I feel his intentions were for the good of the millions of children who need that help desperately.

He is human like the rest of us and as human has made mistakes, his main fault (if it is a fault) was caring too much for the people he was working to try and help our children, by trying to reaching as many as he could. Ellie XXX